Q1: Where were you born and where do you call home?

A: I was born in San Francisco 65 years ago, and remained there until I was 31. I married the love of my life, and we moved to Guerneville, California where we brought into the world two beautiful daughters, one of which has given us two handsome grandsons with one on the way. We call Guerneville our home, and it shall remain our home with our daughters and their families living within 5 min. of us.

Q2: What are your current projects? Can you share a little of your current work with us?

A: The current project I have before First Edition Design is a book titled, “They Own It All (Including You!) By Means of Toxic Currency.” The book proves that there are hidden liens that transfer from the paper money within a transaction to the object purchased, table, chair, car, house, or whatever.The majority of the currencies throughout the world have these liens (that which a creditor owns) and are known as debtor instruments. The lien process is as old as Babylon. These global currencies are all owned by a foreign Corporation(s). Because one cannot actually pay with lawful money (gold or silver coin), the items purchased with the lien currency (paper money without any substance [gold or silver] backing it) remove one from absolute title, rights, and interest in the ownership of the object purchased.

Consequently, one has the status of a debtor without absolute rights or ownership of properties, and is granted mere privileges and immunities under law.

In addition, citizens of the United States are subject to the income tax, the 16th Amendment of the Federal Constitution, because the currency is an international commodity under the foreign Corporation (Federal Reserve), thus, they are a taxable event when implemented for labor, purchases, or sales. In the US, one is subject to the income tax by exchanging one’s labor or property for foreign commodities, which is the paper money produced by a foreign Corporation, which falls under international law. This is the very reason why one has to pay a domestic income tax within one’s home state and a foreign income tax within the federal state, the United States Government.

There also are other projects. Three books are in the making, one of which will tear the seams of the current money system as it is unconstitutionally applied to the 16th amendment, the income tax. Also, I and others are currently working on Active Liberty Alliance, which shall get passed initiatives (laws) for the reason of decreasing and/or eliminating the restraints upon the liberties of Americans, as well as people in other nations. The people of this great nation have been asleep far too long, and it is time for the true lawmakers [the People] to resume their duties and authorities to remove their restraints through law.

Additionally, I am following through and preparing to launch “Complaints Magazine & News [CM&N].” It is about time that information, which is crucial to the American People and those of other nations, be exposed to the public so that the deviousness of governments, corporations, officials, professionals, banks, neighbors, and the myriad of entities that act against the benefit of the individual are exposed. The website allows one to lodge a complaint and contact others who have had the same injury from the same entity. A group is more powerful in moving against a wrongdoer than the individual.

One may also see the author in “Behold a Pale Horse — Part 2 (coming soon),” which is narrated by the country singer, Charlie Daniels, and directed by Chuck Untersee.

Q3: How did you meet fellow author Robert Rowen?

A: I met Dr. Rowen in 2003, when he approached me with problems in the nature of taxation. In the course of remedying his tax problems I was the first, since 1933, to lodge and file a lawful gold coin of the United States into the accounts of the United States in the case. I filed 31 affirmative and negative averments (allegations of facts or claims), which resulted in no opposition/response from the Attorney General’s Office of the United States. In Fact, the Attorney General’s Office did not file any paperwork throughout the entire case, but remained silent and unresponsive. Dr. Rowen should have won on averments alone in accordance with the Rules of Court, however, the court overlooked the rule in this matter and on its own stated that Dr. Rowen “did not show the value of the lawful gold coin, if any.?

It is not within the power of Robert to evidence the value of the gold coin because this is a delegated power of the Congress of the United States under Article 1, Section 8, Clause 5 of the federal Constitution. After the lower court’s decision, we brought the case before the Supreme Court of the United States, where I was able to have the highest court in the land affirm a lower court decision on the lawful money, gold coin, of the accounts of the United States. Essentially, the Supreme Court of the United State had determined that the lawful money, Gold and Silver Coin under the Mint Act of 1792, and the power of Congress to coin the same Article I, Section 8, Clause 5, had no value and was unrecognizable within its court. Effectively, the Supreme Court of the United States had made a determination to repeal the delegation of power of the Congress of the United States to coin money under Article 1, Section 8, Clause 5. Of course the Supreme Court did not come right out and repeal a power of Congress, but the determination by the court effectively repeals the delegated power of Congress. This act raised pertinent questions: “If the courts of the United States do not recognize the Lawful Money of accounts of the United States, then whose courts are they? If one is paid in the lawful money, gold coin, of the United States, can the United States see and value this money? Is the lawful money then taxable? Obviously if the federal government places no value on the lawful gold coins of the United States then it follows that its agencies, such as the Internal Revenue Service, cannot place a value on these coins.

Q4: With your book doing so well on Amazon are there any particular reviews for your book that have stood out or meant more than others?

A:  Yes, one review actually does stick out more than others. In fact there are many reviews that are somewhat identical to the one review which I will quote:
“They Own It All (Including You!) By Means of Toxic Currency by Ronald MacDonald. Seldom in history does a book come along where readers comment that it should be in the home of every American family, and placed on the mantle right next to the family Bible. But that is what readers of this book are saying. With very simple grammar, They Own It All tackles a subject craftily hidden from the average man – the true nature of modern currency and its impact on his personal life and freedom. Most everyone knows that something is desperately wrong in America, and the entire world for that matter. Imagine being the owner of a manor. One day you return and find that your servants have taken over the estate, and they place you in chains to be their chattel – forever! As the book unfolds, the reader finds that this is what has literally happened. We now have governments malignantly growing, freedoms destroyed, and our every movement tracked. We need permission from the entity we created (government) for most anything we do in life.”

This review came from Melodee, who is the radio host of KHEN radio 106.9

Q5: Are there any books you have read recently and would recommend?

A:  I’m usually immersed in antiquated law books dated a century or two before and a century after the founding of the Nation. Not wanting to be influenced by the writings of others, I prefer not to read books on the same subject that I write so that I may write from my own perspective. Some of the great books that I’ve read have been authored by great men, such as John Locke, Justice Story, and currently “James Madison’s Notes of Debates in the Federal Convention of 1787 and the Relation.” The adventure of finding the truth starts at its foundation. The foundation of the governments of the United States is to be found around the time of its creation. These would be the books that I would recommend.

Q6: When and why did you begin writing?

A:  We began writing the book on the first week of October of 2009. The reason for writing the book was to expose the relationship that the present currency, those Federal Reserve Notes that we use as purchasing power, had removed all of us from wealth and had placed us within a perpetual debtor system. I believe this was very important for the American people to recognize that without one shot being fired in this country all Americans lost their wealth in 1933. In addition, all Americans lost their rights to absolute liberty and ownership of property, inclusive of themselves.

Furthermore, we were granted privileges and immunities from the federal state (United States) that can be repealed at its leisure, and has on occasion been perfected, such as Obama care, seatbelts, smoking, drinking within state and federal limits, and the list goes on. We have also been denied access to the unalienable rights that predate all of the constitutions in the United States.

Q7: What were the challenges (research, literary, psychological, and logistical) in bringing this book it to life?

A: The research for the book took well over 30 years. That’s not to say that the goal of the research during those years was to write a book; but, the research accumulated in serious information that I knew and believed needed to be raised before the American and global people.

A real challenge in disseminating this information to the American public and the rest of the world was that the global citizenry are oblivious to their being manipulated by a higher power, which places them in absolute servitude/bondage. There appears to be mental barricades (non-education in the monetary systems historically and presently) in place so that most people are forced to be blind in recognizing the true nature of the problem, currency. The quote, “If you can’t see it (hidden lien upon all property), it doesn’t exist” applies in this instant. Hence, the hurdle in presenting the information was to get the American people to see that which was not apparent. This is why the quote in the book, “Making the invisible visible…” was stated.

In our society all appears to be adequate and agreeable because we can obtain the property we desire through the transactions using the currency. We certainly are not aware that the property that we have labored for does not belong to us; and moreover, we do not own the currency.

At times it was very difficult to connect the dots from the research. But, I had made certain discoveries, such as the case, the Huntress, which is identified in the book, and states that seizures by the Internal Revenue Service commence in Admiralty law and then take on a civil action. Admiralty law is contract on the high seas in a time of war. This was puzzling and needed clarification because the high seas have nothing to do with the land. Finding clarification on this issue helped me connect the dots to why Americans and others are in servitude within the commerce jurisdiction (Admiralty/Maritime).

Q8: What should have been done instead of the government’s actions in 1933?

A: Under the pretext that the American people were hoarding their money, President Roosevelt implemented powers not granted to the office of the presidency which forbade Americans to own gold coins (United States) or their representatives, gold certificates. Taking a step back and viewing what actually happened, one must examine how the federal government was created. The people in their wisdom created state constitutions under the common Law, however, the states created the federal Constitution. The states themselves enacted the federal compact known as the United States Constitution without the people of any of the states voting in its enactment. Even Patrick Henry stated at the time concerning the Constitution, “Who authorized them to speak the language of We, the People, instead of We, the states?” It is reasonable to conclude, given this and other facts, that the people did not enact the federal Constitution.

Before the enactment of either the state or the federal Constitutions, the people owned absolutely the money they had earned, which was in species (gold and silver coins). No one had the right to take the money from the inhabitants of the United States because that would have been stealing property of the sovereign people which were the Creators of their creature, the federal government.

As is clearly evident, the ownership by the people of money predates the federal and state Constitutions, which falls under the 9th and 10th Amendment, (rights reserved to the people), of the United States Constitution.

What Roosevelt had done was to declare the entire sovereign people of the United States criminals for hoarding their wealth. He then, by Executive Order, forcefully removed their wealth. That is like the servant declaring the master a criminal and stealing his wealth. What should have been done in 1933 is that the people of the several states should have retained their wealth, and the federal compact, the corporate federal government should have declared bankruptcy. Had this been done I believe that we would still be the most prosperous country in the world under real wealth.

Q9: What would be the effect today of lifting Roosevelt’s state of emergency?

A: Lifting the state of emergency could possibly result in the rise of the common law and the potential dissolution of the commercial law within the states, save those areas that are dependent upon commerce. Administrative law/agency law (commercial law) would be contained in its proper jurisdiction. The three branches of government would be equalized as they once were with checks and balances and limitations by enumerations of powers. This would effectively topple the executive branch as the current law making body. The people would, in actuality, govern themselves in a republic form of government, and not within a democracy. In addition, the People would be in contact with the land upon which their unalienable rights arise. Solvency would appear within society, which is in contrast to the insolvency which is our current status as persons.

Q10: Do you believe today’s society is too complex for the gold standard or the common law?

A: It is difficult to say with certainty that there is enough gold to back the monetary system we now have. But gold is not a necessity in aspiring to individual wealth. Labor is the means by which each man achieves wealth. A currency that is backed by labor and is owned outright absolutely by the one possessing it (currency), and which grants to each man the absolute title, rights, and interest in that currency is perhaps the best choice for our sovereign people within contemporary society.

Society is not that complex that instituting the common law as its parameters of control over human actions would be impossible. The Common law is a collection of tried and true principles that have been tested through time immemorial, and are recognizable as truths.

Within common law one must have an intended action and an injury to equal a crime against the people of the state. This can be formulated as follows: Intended Action + Injury = Crime. However, today we find ourselves within a commercial jurisdiction. Commerce is the law of the high seas. It specifically is contract law. Commerce equates the actual thing to its mere representation. An example of this is that when one appears within the court with his attorney or by himself both are in representation, but neither are actually within the court in accordance with legal principles. Legally, the man appears. The active word is “appears, ” which means that the court recognizes that he is a “person” (one who wears a veil, or mask), who moves within the system with the following documents, such as birth certificate, citizenship, driver’s license, Social Security number, marriage license, medical license, contractor’s license, dentist license, and the various other licenses that regulate him under the authority of Commercial Law. The same is to be said of money. Money is an actual tangible commodity-based on gold and silver coin. The coins themselves are the commodity. But in commerce, the coins are represented by paper. Hence, the paper is in commerce. Today, the currency (paper money) is a mere representation, and not redeemable in gold or silver, but merely an illusion. Thus it is in representation within the commerce jurisdiction.

As a result, in a society with commercial law regulating the actions of persons, the state may prosecute a crime under the following conditions. A mere action equals a crime, or Unintended or Intended Action = Crime. Injury is not necessarily an element of the crime within the commercial law, but can be. Speeding without an injury, not following the codes for your profession, building upon your lands without a permit, jaywalking, running a stop sign, not having your identification on you, and the various other non-injurious actions are crimes within the commercial state. In commercial law, the Law (common law) is not available. All the courts within the United States become reviewing courts under commerce law and none touch upon the subject of Law (Common Law). The commercial law is through regulations that must be followed to the letter. Note, regulations are by a Ruler, and not instituted by the People. In the case of commercial law, the executive branch, and not the legislative branch, makes the law through the thousands and thousands of codes enacted every year.

Q11: What one person supported you most with your writing?

A: The person who has and continues to supports me the most in my writings is my wife, Pam. Without her belief in me and what she believes I am capable of I would have long ago ceased to endeavor this pursuit. When I recognize a legal/lawful concept that I believe has not been raised before the court/public, she is my soundboard in developing that concept for the comprehension of others.

Q12: Where and when do you prefer to do your writing? Why?

A: I am not a regimented man that allows the clock to dictate when my actions to write shall begin and end. I merely research and write at variable times during the day and night. I find that liberty and the act of writing historical and political concepts are consistent with each other. Both of these concepts incorporate free expression. That is not to state that I am undisciplined, but that the process of writing is that proverbial continuum that never ceases throughout life.

Q13: What do you believe was the intent of the drafters of the 14th amendment?

A: The intent of the framers of the 14th amendment was absolutely evident during preceding and during its enacted.

One must first look at the status of the population at the time the amendment was enacted. In a case called Chisholm versus Georgia (1793), Chief Justice Jay of the Supreme Court of the United States, stated the following: “…, at the Revolution, the sovereignty devolved on the people, and they are truly the sovereigns of the country, but they are sovereigns without subjects (unless the African slaves among us may be so called), and have none to govern but themselves; the citizens of America are equal as fellow citizens, and as joint tenants in the sovereignty.”

It was apparent at the end of the American Revolutionary War that the sovereign powers of King George III flowed through to each and every white American citizen. It is evident that when we talked about the citizens of America at that time that we were talking about citizens with the prerogative powers of the King.

Shortly after the Civil War the Congress of the United States enacted Civil War Amendments. Amongst these amendments was the 14th Amendment, which created citizenship amongst other powers of the Congress within that amendment. The language of the 14th Amendment makes it quite clear that it does not apply to a sovereign citizen. In the case called Van Valkenburg (43 Cal. 43, 47) not one single white person owes his citizenship to the 14th amendment nor did it give the white man any new unalienable rights. The condition for receiving citizenship under the amendment is that one be subject to the jurisdiction of the United States. The white person was not a subject but a sovereign.
It is important to state that sovereign citizens owe no allegiance to a higher power. Allegiance is a concept which applies to subjects. “In this country citizenship is constitutional, while allegiance is personal; citizenship is freedom, but allegiance is servitude, citizenship is a political tie, while allegiance is a territorial tenure.” (Talbot v.Janson, 3 US (3 Dallas) page 133) no sovereign citizen owes allegiance to any power on earth. What we have is a concept of mutual loyalty in supporting our Republic.

Furthermore, and in accordance with Daniel Webster, “Sovereignty in government (United States) is an idea belonging to the other side of the Atlantic.” In other words the state and federal government in this country hold no sovereignty above the people.

“Sovereign citizens need no protection of unalienable rights; they have civil rights by virtue of their sovereign character. The property power delegated by the Constitution originally authorizes Congress to legislate to protect government property. Amendment 14 extended that power, authorizing Congress to enact legislation to “enforce” the restriction against which the states were prohibited to regulate. Suddenly, we find Congress empowered to enact so called “civil rights” laws. This used to be a function of the states. Did anyone but the new type of citizen need this “protection?””
In addition, under the 14th Amendment no rights were created. The Amendment merely prohibited discrimination [against the newly freed black slaves]. (Slaughterhouse cases) Moreover, the newly freed black slaves had their situs (locality) as government property in Washington, D. C.

Washington, D. C. is not a state within the union. It is the seat of the federal government. The 14th amendment arises out of the Federal Corporation, [Reference–United States Codes Title 28, Part VI, Chapter 176, Subchapter A, section 3002–definitions (15) “United States” means–(A) a Federal Corporation]. As a reasonable observation, a Corporation owns all of its property minus its liabilities, which is known as corporate property. The amendments to the federal Constitution are corporate properties. The creation of a citizenship within the corporation known as the federal government of the United States is corporate property. Obviously, citizenship under the federal Constitution makes one corporate property.

Hence, it is very evident of what the intentions of the framers were at the time they enacted the 14th Amendment. It was to protect and give status to its new property, the newly freed black slaves, inclusive of endowing this citizenship with civil rights, however, not with unalienable rights by the Creator.

Q14:What do you think Thomas Jefferson would do today if he were president?

A: Thomas Jefferson did in fact understand the status of man in relation to his government. He understood a basic can easily be summed in the following statement: “Was man made for the state, or was the state made for man.” In the former, Was man made for the state, certainly this addresses man as the subject (creature) of the Sovereign State. In the latter, Was the state made for man, man becomes the Creator and him and the state his creature (subject). Thomas Jefferson would have adhered to the first principles upon which the Creators, the People, were the Sovereigns and the state their subject. Had Thomas Jefferson been president today, Liberty, Property, and the pursuit of Happiness would have remained a steadfast and first principle in each of the actions from which the government manages the country.

Q15:Is there any exciting or interesting news lately that impacts They Own it All?

A: I believe what has currently happened in Cyprus, where the government has taken 10% of banking deposits (those over $100,000.00) of its people, is indicative of what is being stated in They Own It All. What is evident is that the people of Cyprus do not own the currency they have labored for and deposited in their accounts. Had they actually owned the deposited currency, the government would have had to go into the courts under due process to prove that it had the right to remove the private property of the people from their accounts. What’s more shocking is that this act by government could occur in any of the global nations, inclusive of the United States.

Q16:Where can your readers learn more about you and your book?

A: The readers may learn more about the author by going to the  website and on the link page listen to the numerous radio shows he has been a regular on, or made an appearance. Every Monday, the author is on the Republic Broadcast Network with owner John Stadtmiller, from 2 — 4 p.m Pacific Time. One may call in 1-800-313-9443 to ask questions, or listen to topics that concern us all.

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